tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3521318064826848712.post5322954643137179359..comments2023-10-19T04:51:53.516-05:00Comments on The Legal Dollar: Law School Deans Discuss State Of Legal Education - ChicagoLawyerManaging Partnerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05130017520583425490noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3521318064826848712.post-1325132469100266962010-09-29T11:19:12.483-05:002010-09-29T11:19:12.483-05:00Dan - I think that we both agree that the caveat e...Dan - I think that we both agree that the caveat emptor/capitalistic/business defense is inappropriate for law school Deans to hide behind at this time. <br /><br />I actually agree with you that the current level of federal loan oversight would be inappropriate if the law schools announced themselves to be businesses rather than non-profits. My thinking would be that if the law schools announced themselves as for-profit businesses, then they would be subject to closer regulation, cost control, proof-of-result, and other scrutiny - like other for-profit government contractors.<br />I think that we are on the same page that it is inappropriate for law schools to take lightly-regulated federal dollars under the guise that they are beneficient, while in essence operating in a highly capitalistic way.<br /><br />To my thinking, if they want to be charities, then they should act with greater concern for their students. Conversely, if they want to be business, then ok, but we as a society should review the availability of and process for bestowing student loan dollars on them. I actually think that we are pretty much on the same page here.Managing Partnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130017520583425490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3521318064826848712.post-36295955426602383712010-09-29T11:09:45.606-05:002010-09-29T11:09:45.606-05:005:21 - Wow. That's irony!5:21 - Wow. That's irony!Managing Partnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130017520583425490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3521318064826848712.post-14660253604866736302010-09-28T21:18:56.084-05:002010-09-28T21:18:56.084-05:00And they should not be run as a business under the...And they should not be run as a business under the current scheme so to disagree with you it is NOT okDanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12079325310332728307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3521318064826848712.post-42106079506056310642010-09-28T21:15:56.920-05:002010-09-28T21:15:56.920-05:00They dont pretend bc they don't have to
When ...They dont pretend bc they don't have to<br /><br />When their school's existence and income is overwhelmingly a result of government guaranteed money they get immediately with barely any strings attached they should be subjected to the highest of honor codes and should NOT be able to use a caveat emptor or capitalistic/ business defense IMODanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12079325310332728307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3521318064826848712.post-28942269363477555662010-09-28T17:21:58.995-05:002010-09-28T17:21:58.995-05:00When I was at Cornell - the financial aid offer...When I was at Cornell - the financial aid offer's name was Jane Death (no kidding - should have seen the writing on the wall there). She actually changed the spelling (added an 'e') so it would be pronounced differently.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3521318064826848712.post-65027240934620746152010-09-28T11:35:07.239-05:002010-09-28T11:35:07.239-05:00Hi Dan,
Yep, the name is very unfortunate. A gue...Hi Dan, <br />Yep, the name is very unfortunate. A guess a guy can't change his name, but I am a little surprised that whatever Board voted him in did not take into account the negative connotations. Maybe he's just that good? Maybe they figured they are the U of C, so they just don't care?<br /><br />With regard to the John Marshall Dean's comments - you are right that it would be a little odd if he were asserting that a single big firm hired 30-40 of his students pre-recession. However, I think that his comment is not necessarily limited to his students only - and there were big firms that did hire classes of 100+ pre-recession.<br /><br />Not to exonerate the Deans by any means - they really should be more focused on the welfare (jobs) of their students by matching admissions to availability. They are obviously aware that the available jobs have dried up, but they are not taking steps to matach their admissions to job availability. They may respond that it is not their job to do so - that students make their own decisions - and they are just running a business/school. Well, if they want to be a business, then that's OK - but then stop representing yourself as a not-for-profit/charity and stop pretending that you have student's best interests at heart.Managing Partnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130017520583425490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3521318064826848712.post-26608911770057883942010-09-28T10:57:29.925-05:002010-09-28T10:57:29.925-05:00These guys are unbelievable
First of all, how gre...These guys are unbelievable<br /><br />First of all, how great is it that the Dean of Chicago's last name is "schill". Too perfect.<br /><br />Secondly, the John Marshall Dean's statement that 30-40 of students getting Big Firm jobs? Id like to see him back that statement up pre-recession at HIS school.<br /><br />http://www.law.com/jsp/law/careercenter/lawArticleCareerCenter.jsp?id=1208256428026Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15729532031872959652noreply@blogger.com